From weagles at bigpond.net.au Tue Dec 2 04:39:42 2014 From: weagles at bigpond.net.au (Warren Eagles) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:39:42 +1000 Subject: [Tig] What are you grading 2014? Message-ID: <4F7D6317-CB24-4464-897B-A240A522053B@bigpond.net.au> The ICA 2014 survey will close on Dec 7th. Please give feedback on any 3 jobs that you coloured in November. Monitor, codec, camera, genre, years grading etc etc The survey is anonymous, no sign up necessary http://icolorist.com/what-are-you-grading-2014/ Regards Warren @warreneagles From rjacostab at yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 14:25:53 2014 From: rjacostab at yahoo.com (Ricardo Acosta) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 06:25:53 -0800 Subject: [Tig] DaVinci panels power supply Message-ID: <1417530353.75542.YahooMailBasic@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hello: I am looking for a working DaVinci Renaissance 888 panels? power supply. Please contact me of line. Thanks and best regards to all: Ricardo J. Acosta Bruzual Telecine de Venezuela, C.A. Tlf: (0212) 283 8455 Ext. 185 From rob at colorist.org Wed Dec 3 19:45:12 2014 From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 13:45:12 -0600 Subject: [Tig] now on the TIG Classifieds Message-ID: <5D321776-7F6B-49DA-8A73-F924E7488EF8@colorist.org> from: http://colorist.org/wiki/index.php/Classifieds For Sale 2K Style Resolve Panels. Consists of Color panel and Machine Control panel. plus cables. Includes Media converter for 10Base2 Please mention that you saw the ad on the TIG. All reasonable offers will be considered. Contact Philip at info canvasfilms.com ? Rob Lingelbach http://rob.colorist .org rob at colorist.org From dlt at earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 23:16:22 2014 From: dlt at earthlink.net (David Tosh) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:16:22 -0800 Subject: [Tig] Lighting color media "gel" swatch samples wanted In-Reply-To: <5D321776-7F6B-49DA-8A73-F924E7488EF8@colorist.org> References: <5D321776-7F6B-49DA-8A73-F924E7488EF8@colorist.org> Message-ID: <547F99C6.5000405@earthlink.net> I want to do some forensics on faded printing on a label using differential wavelength viewing. I would try various illumination and see if viewing through the color media swatches could reveal the printing. In the past, I have had Rosco samples in a "book" of samples that is perhaps half the height of a business card. Anyone have an idea where I could obtain one in Southern California this week? --- David Tosh Recovering Telecine engineer (and even before that technical theater nerd.) From steve.roberts at bbc.co.uk Thu Dec 4 11:30:32 2014 From: steve.roberts at bbc.co.uk (Steve Roberts) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:30:32 +0000 Subject: [Tig] Cintel MK3 Manual Message-ID: <4EABF517DC6E484A8D61D210885FE63E96604FD0@BGB01XUD1008.national.core.bbc.co.uk> I still look after an ageing MK3 for BBC Studios and Post Production. In the move out of Television Centre I seem to have lost one of my manuals and I'm wondering if anyone can help me out with either a spare copy or a scan of the relevant part? It's the Volume 1 - Installation, Operation and Maintenance manual for a MK3 Digiscan 4 machine. I only really need the alignment section from it. I'm located in London. Many thanks, Steve From robin.melhuish at digitalvision.se Thu Dec 4 12:42:40 2014 From: robin.melhuish at digitalvision.se (Robin Melhuish) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 04:42:40 -0800 Subject: [Tig] Tig Digest, Vol 361, Issue 1 Message-ID: When I was working at Lowry Digital we'd always give flat prices based on an agreed assessment of the state of the client's elements and their expectations of the restoration quality. The trick was always how to come to that agreement. The best method was?through a series of tests. At Lowry?the expected quality was almost always "pristine" anyway. We often would have preferred to charge time and materials (hours, suite rental, etc.) but the clients always insisted on flat prices. All the Best, Robin Melhuish? From steve.roberts at bbc.co.uk Thu Dec 4 12:51:23 2014 From: steve.roberts at bbc.co.uk (Steve Roberts) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:51:23 +0000 Subject: [Tig] Cintel MK3 Manual In-Reply-To: <4EABF517DC6E484A8D61D210885FE63E96604FD0@BGB01XUD1008.national.core.bbc.co.uk> References: <4EABF517DC6E484A8D61D210885FE63E96604FD0@BGB01XUD1008.national.core.bbc.co.uk> Message-ID: <4EABF517DC6E484A8D61D210885FE63E96605058@BGB01XUD1008.national.core.bbc.co.uk> Thanks to those who replied with offers of help - splendid chaps! All sorted now. :) ________________________________________ From: Tig [tig-bounces at colorist.org] on behalf of Steve Roberts via Tig [tig at colorist.org] Sent: 04 December 2014 11:30 To: TIG ?[tig at colorist.org]? Subject: [Tig] Cintel MK3 Manual Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. ===== I still look after an ageing MK3 for BBC Studios and Post Production. In the move out of Television Centre I seem to have lost one of my manuals and I'm wondering if anyone can help me out with either a spare copy or a scan of the relevant part? It's the Volume 1 - Installation, Operation and Maintenance manual for a MK3 Digiscan 4 machine. I only really need the alignment section from it. I'm located in London. Many thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ http://colorist.org To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From rob at colorist.org Fri Dec 5 22:04:24 2014 From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:04:24 -0600 Subject: [Tig] Lighting color media "gel" swatch samples wanted In-Reply-To: <547F99C6.5000405@earthlink.net> References: <5D321776-7F6B-49DA-8A73-F924E7488EF8@colorist.org> <547F99C6.5000405@earthlink.net> Message-ID: > On Dec 3, 2014, at 5:16 PM, David Tosh via Tig wrote: > > I want to do some forensics on faded printing on a label using differential wavelength viewing. I would try various illumination and see if viewing through the color media swatches could reveal the printing. An interesting project. Do art historians, art museum experts, and perhaps art forgery analysts, do something similar in their work? > In the past, I have had Rosco samples in a "book" of samples that is perhaps half the height of a business card. Anyone have an idea where I could obtain one in Southern California this week? I?m a little late in responding, but found this at Amazon (and there are other gel books- I did a web search for ?color gel samples?): http://www.amazon.com/Rosco-Lux-Small-Swatchbook/dp/B0002ER2YG To use Amazon seems somehow a neutering of the quest in finding and purchasing important items. ? Rob Lingelbach http://rob.colorist.org rob at colorist.org From Peter.White at uea.ac.uk Fri Dec 12 11:42:00 2014 From: Peter.White at uea.ac.uk (Peter White (EAFA)) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:42:00 +0000 Subject: [Tig] MB-51 - value? Message-ID: <452EB333A3561C478BB861793FF89D7C0E269ED6@ueastfexch01.UEA.AC.UK> Dear all, Has anyone got any ideas as to the value of low hour MB51's in the UK? Fully working, some are 16mm only some are 16mm and 35mm. Some record, some don't etc etc.... I have no idea. Hopefully someone can shed some light... Also: we don't have any for sale(!). Any help appreciated, Peter White Senior Technician East Anglian Film Archive From carl at stopp.se Fri Dec 12 15:19:10 2014 From: carl at stopp.se (Carl Skaff) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:19:10 +0100 Subject: [Tig] Drum Hour and other info on HDSR Message-ID: <3208011615201500190@unknownmsgid> Hi all I have a SRW-5000 and SRW-5800... Anyone know how to display the drumhours? Or any other display that shows how much it has been used? /Carl -- CARL SKAFF COLORIST STOPP/POST PRODUCTION STOPP/STHLM ODENGATAN 104 113 22 STOCKHOLM OFFICE +46 8 507 035 00 <+46%208%20507%20035%2000> STHLM | NYC | LA | LDN WWW.STOPP.SE Follow me on Instagram @Colorist_CarlSkaff From rob at colorist.org Fri Dec 12 21:22:34 2014 From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:22:34 -0600 Subject: [Tig] Drum Hour and other info on HDSR In-Reply-To: <3208011615201500190@unknownmsgid> References: <3208011615201500190@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <152B1EE5-5171-425C-8522-365DDAB4B403@colorist.org> > > Hi all > > I have a SRW-5000 and SRW-5800... > Anyone know how to display the drumhours? Or any other display that shows > how much it has been used? Carl, The maintenance manual for the 5000 series may be on the web as a PDF here: http://elektrotanya.com/sony_srw-5000,5500-maintenance_manual_v3.pdf/download.html Rob ? Rob Lingelbach http://rob.colorist.org rob at colorist.org From jpo at prestodigital.ca Fri Dec 12 23:00:47 2014 From: jpo at prestodigital.ca (Joe Owens) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:00:47 -0700 Subject: [Tig] Drum Hour and other info on HDSR In-Reply-To: <3208011615201500190@unknownmsgid> References: <3208011615201500190@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <90607D3F-7F84-48CF-B789-85091F420403@prestodigital.ca> Its in the Maintenance submenu system, so start with SHIFT-DIAG. That should bring up the first level, which gives you access to the error log and so on -- the drum hours and thread count should be available at this level as well. SHIFT-MAINT EXEC gets you into the next level, where system settings such as frame rate, scan lines and modes are available. You will also need to be able to get into these levels if you ever want to change meta data packet settings, for example for Closed Captioning HDCam. On 2014-12-12, at 8:19 AM, Carl Skaff via Tig wrote: > I have a SRW-5000 and SRW-5800... > Anyone know how to display the drumhours? Joe Owens Presto!Digital Colourgrade 302-9664 106 Avenue Edmonton, Alberta T5H0N4 +1 780 421-9980 jpo at prestodigital.ca http://www.prestodigitalcolourgrade.ca From weagles at bigpond.net.au Sat Dec 13 03:30:26 2014 From: weagles at bigpond.net.au (Warren Eagles) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:30:26 +1000 Subject: [Tig] What are you grading 2014? Results Message-ID: > Thanks to all TIG folks who took part in the survey. > Over 400 Colorists from over 60 countries. > Results and my thoughts/feedback posted here > http://icolorist.com/what-are-you-grading-2014-results/ > > Regards > > Warren > @warreneagles From carl at stopp.se Sat Dec 13 09:52:49 2014 From: carl at stopp.se (Carl Skaff) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 10:52:49 +0100 Subject: [Tig] Drum Hour and other info on HDSR In-Reply-To: <3208011615201500190@unknownmsgid> References: <3208011615201500190@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <-8211168149382103573@unknownmsgid> Thanks all. Got the hour count now. Excellent forum for help! /Carl -- CARL SKAFF COLORIST STOPP/POST PRODUCTION STOPP/STHLM ODENGATAN 104 113 22 STOCKHOLM OFFICE +46 8 507 035 00 <+46%208%20507%20035%2000> STHLM | NYC | LA | LDN WWW.STOPP.SE Follow me on Instagram @Colorist_CarlSkaff 12 dec 2014 kl. 16:19 skrev Carl Skaff : Hi all I have a SRW-5000 and SRW-5800... Anyone know how to display the drumhours? Or any other display that shows how much it has been used? /Carl -- CARL SKAFF COLORIST STOPP/POST PRODUCTION STOPP/STHLM ODENGATAN 104 113 22 STOCKHOLM OFFICE +46 8 507 035 00 <+46%208%20507%20035%2000> STHLM | NYC | LA | LDN WWW.STOPP.SE Follow me on Instagram @Colorist_CarlSkaff From terryknightpc at hotmail.com Sat Dec 27 09:00:44 2014 From: terryknightpc at hotmail.com (Terry Knight) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:00:44 +0000 Subject: [Tig] The Rank Cintel Mk III Telecine: 1975 - 2015 Message-ID: Hello chaps, in a few days time we'll be celebrating 40 years of the iconic Rank Cintel MkIII: 1975 to 2015. A fine design incorporating precise correction circuits for perfect geometry, pincushion, scan linearity, afterglow, shading, burn, gamma, aperture, shrinkage, inter-dye crosstalk and flare, producing "the best picture of all time, the best sound around". More than 900 were built, we sold them all round the world. The initial one went to London Weekend Television, a station which, uniquely, only broadcast on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, with great shows like On The Buses and Cilla Black's Blind Date. Some of the ungrateful chaps at LWT had the audacity to place a white elephant on top of that first MkIII, but the fact is that that first machine was well used, sending out entertainment to the nation's homes every weekend in the days when there were only three TV channels. Someone said to me "Rank Cintel makes telecines"; I said "no, Rank Cintel doesn't make telecines, Rank Cintel makes money." And the money rolled in as we ramped up production, making two, three or four a week, selling them all round the world thanks to our excellent team of marketing experts and slick advertising. Add to that the success of the TOPSY computer grading system and, slightly later, AMIGO, another winner. Of course all this money encouraged greed and envy. Third party after-market products appeared from unprofessional back street operations and deranged hobbyists, first a trickle then a torrent. Our engineers examined these: we advised you not to waste your money on this useless tat, invalidating your warranty and jeopardizing your service agreement. You didn't need alternative shading circuit boards, colour grading devices, steadygates, etc, etc. It was so sad to see our machines vandalised. We had more than 300 employees with all sorts of skills from Design Engineers and Coil Winders to Recruitment Officers and Canteen Ladies: all of them part of the happy Rank Cintel family in Ware. Staff benefits were generous: free life insurance, a comprehensive pension scheme, free parking and subsidized holidays at Butlins. In 2015 you'll be able to visit Rank Cintel again when the Asda supermarket opens in Watton Road, Ware: money-making will resume, bringing employment and prosperity to the local economy. Dial 0920 3939, 8.45am to 5pm, (4.30 on Fridays). Rank Precision Industries Part of the Rank Organisation plc From n.feldman at videopost.com Sat Dec 27 14:06:05 2014 From: n.feldman at videopost.com (Neil B. Feldman) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:06:05 -0500 Subject: [Tig] The Rank Cintel Mk III Telecine: 1975 - 2015 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1181B745-9DB8-4C8D-AE3F-551D49BE509C@videopost.com> On Dec 27, 2014, at 4:00 AM, Terry Knight via Tig wrote: > Of course all this money encouraged greed and envy. Third party after-market products appeared from unprofessional back street operations and deranged hobbyists, first a trickle then a torrent. Our engineers examined these: we advised you not to waste your money on this useless tat, invalidating your warranty and jeopardizing your service agreement. You didn't need alternative shading circuit boards, colour grading devices, steadygates, etc, etc. It was so sad to see our machines vandalised. Gee. After all these years it is comforting to see that some things never can change. You guys are still clueless. Amazing. From dixie at westpoint.tv Sat Dec 27 15:14:30 2014 From: dixie at westpoint.tv (=?utf-8?B?ZGl4aWVAd2VzdHBvaW50LnR2?=) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:14:30 +0000 Subject: [Tig] =?utf-8?q?The_Rank_Cintel_Mk_III_Telecine=3A_1975_-_2015?= Message-ID: When I read Terry's comment about all the extras that were made for the MKIIIs I was not sure if there wasn't a little bit of tongue in cheek. It would have to be said that what was made was incredibly good for our industry. My two penny's worth. All the best for 2015. David Dean Westpoint TV 0208 742 3400 ----- Reply message ----- From: "Neil B. Feldman via Tig" To: "Terry Knight" Cc: "tig at colorist.org" Subject: [Tig] The Rank Cintel Mk III Telecine: 1975 - 2015 Date: Sat, Dec 27, 2014 2:06 PM Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. ===== On Dec 27, 2014, at 4:00 AM, Terry Knight via Tig wrote: > Of course all this money encouraged greed and envy. Third party after-market products appeared from unprofessional back street operations and deranged hobbyists, first a trickle then a torrent. Our engineers examined these: we advised you not to waste your money on this useless tat, invalidating your warranty and jeopardizing your service agreement. You didn't need alternative shading circuit boards, colour grading devices, steadygates, etc, etc. It was so sad to see our machines vandalised. Gee. After all these years it is comforting to see that some things never can change. You guys are still clueless. Amazing. _______________________________________________ http://colorist.org To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From rob at colorist.org Sat Dec 27 15:29:04 2014 From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:29:04 -0600 Subject: [Tig] The Rank Cintel Mk III Telecine: 1975 - 2015 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Dec 27, 2014, at 3:00 AM, Terry Knight via Tig wrote: > > > Hello chaps, in a few days time we'll be celebrating 40 years of the iconic Rank Cintel MkIII: 1975 to 2015. The afterglow of our post-session feelings was always tempered in hope that tube dirt would not crawl in films archived 40 years hence. Shading the face was embarrassment in having to blow out whites to hide colors unwanted at tube edges. Clients returning for retransfer brought a certain burn to the process. What is Asda? Rob Lingelbach TIG admin rob.colorist.org From peter.stansfield at wavecrest-systems.com Sat Dec 27 15:34:08 2014 From: peter.stansfield at wavecrest-systems.com (peter stansfield) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:34:08 +0000 Subject: [Tig] The Rank Cintel Mk III Telecine: 1975 - 2015 In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Rob Asda is the UK operating company of your Wal-Mart Regards Peter > On 27 Dec 2014, at 15:29, Rob Lingelbach via Tig wrote: > > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > ===== > > > >> On Dec 27, 2014, at 3:00 AM, Terry Knight via Tig wrote: >> >> >> Hello chaps, in a few days time we'll be celebrating 40 years of the iconic Rank Cintel MkIII: 1975 to 2015. > > The afterglow of our post-session feelings was always tempered in hope that tube dirt would not crawl in films archived 40 years hence. Shading the face was embarrassment in having to blow out whites to hide colors unwanted at tube edges. Clients returning for retransfer brought a certain burn to the process. > > What is Asda? > > Rob Lingelbach > TIG admin > > rob.colorist.org > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From dixie at westpoint.tv Sat Dec 27 19:01:55 2014 From: dixie at westpoint.tv (=?utf-8?B?ZGl4aWVAd2VzdHBvaW50LnR2?=) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 19:01:55 +0000 Subject: [Tig] =?utf-8?q?The_Rank_Cintel_Mk_III_Telecine=3A_1975_-_2015?= Message-ID: ----- Forwarded message ----- From: "dixie at westpoint.tv" To: "Neil B. Feldman" , "Terry Knight" Cc: "tig at colorist.org" Subject: Re: [Tig] The Rank Cintel Mk III Telecine: 1975 - 2015 Date: Sat, Dec 27, 2014 3:14 PM When I read Terry's comment about all the extras that were made for the MKIIIs I was not sure if there wasn't a little bit of tongue in cheek. It would have to be said that what was made was incredibly good for our industry. My two penny's worth. All the best for 2015. David Dean Westpoint TV 0208 742 3400----- Reply message ----- From: "Neil B. Feldman via Tig" To: "Terry Knight" Cc: "tig at colorist.org" Subject: [Tig] The Rank Cintel Mk III Telecine: 1975 - 2015 Date: Sat, Dec 27, 2014 2:06 PM Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. ===== On Dec 27, 2014, at 4:00 AM, Terry Knight via Tig wrote: > Of course all this money encouraged greed and envy. Third party after-market products appeared from unprofessional back street operations and deranged hobbyists, first a trickle then a torrent. Our engineers examined these: we advised you not to waste your money on this useless tat, invalidating your warranty and jeopardizing your service agreement. You didn't need alternative shading circuit boards, colour grading devices, steadygates, etc, etc. It was so sad to see our machines vandalised. Gee. After all these years it is comforting to see that some things never can change. You guys are still clueless. Amazing. _______________________________________________ http://colorist.org To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From rob at colorist.org Sat Dec 27 23:45:46 2014 From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:45:46 -0600 Subject: [Tig] The Rank Cintel Mk III Telecine: 1975 - 2015 In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: >>> >>> On Dec 27, 2014, at 3:00 AM, Terry Knight via Tig wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello chaps, in a few days time we'll be celebrating 40 years of the iconic Rank Cintel MkIII: 1975 to 2015. >> >> The afterglow of our post-session feelings ?.. >> What is Asda? > On Dec 27, 2014, at 9:34 AM, peter stansfield wrote: > > > Asda is the UK operating company of your Wal-Mart Aha. I?ll take momentary exception to it being my Wal-Mart, as I?ve never set foot in the place. Have heard of it. The original posting from Terry Knight is actually signed ?Rank Precision Industries, Part of the Rank Organization plc.? Of course we know something of Rank Precision. Reading the reference for Rank Precision at http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/history2/11/The-Rank-Organisation-Plc.html shows that it owns (or did own) Butlin?s, where according to the posting there were subsidized holidays. An American version of Butlin?s might be found in the Borscht Belt of the Catskills, or Atlantic City. The idea of working for Rank Precision brings to mind perhaps the British version of a Jacques Tati film (?Playtime?, ?Mon Oncle?). I believe the key to the posting is in that last paragraph, mentioning Asda, referencing posterity, employment, and giving a telephone number to call. From whom will we hear the results of dialing it? Rob ? Rob Lingelbach http://rob.colorist.org rob at colorist.org From peter.stansfield at wavecrest-systems.com Sun Dec 28 10:29:49 2014 From: peter.stansfield at wavecrest-systems.com (peter stansfield) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:29:49 +0000 Subject: [Tig] The Rank Cintel Mk III Telecine: 1975 - 2015 In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <473E5C6A-22D2-4504-903D-529343DF89FE@wavecrest-systems.com> Rob Apologies for linking you to Wal-Mart, I didn?t intend it like that. ?Subsidized? holidays is a strange phase to use. Rather there was an ?employee discount? which I suppose is the same thing but doesn?t sound as bad And for those not familiar with the UK telephone system, the phone number is the old (pre rationalisation) number for Cintel Regards Peter Stansfield > On 27 Dec 2014, at 23:45, Rob Lingelbach wrote: > >>>> >>>> On Dec 27, 2014, at 3:00 AM, Terry Knight via Tig wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello chaps, in a few days time we'll be celebrating 40 years of the iconic Rank Cintel MkIII: 1975 to 2015. >>> >>> The afterglow of our post-session feelings ?.. > >>> What is Asda? > >> On Dec 27, 2014, at 9:34 AM, peter stansfield wrote: >> >> >> Asda is the UK operating company of your Wal-Mart > > Aha. I?ll take momentary exception to it being my Wal-Mart, as I?ve never set foot in the place. Have heard of it. > > The original posting from Terry Knight is actually signed ?Rank Precision Industries, Part of the Rank Organization plc.? Of course we know something of Rank Precision. > > Reading the reference for Rank Precision at http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/history2/11/The-Rank-Organisation-Plc.html shows that it owns (or did own) Butlin?s, where according to the posting there were subsidized holidays. > > An American version of Butlin?s might be found in the Borscht Belt of the Catskills, or Atlantic City. > > The idea of working for Rank Precision brings to mind perhaps the British version of a Jacques Tati film (?Playtime?, ?Mon Oncle?). > > I believe the key to the posting is in that last paragraph, mentioning Asda, referencing posterity, employment, and giving a telephone number to call. From whom will we hear the results of dialing it? > > Rob > > ? > Rob Lingelbach http://rob.colorist.org > rob at colorist.org > From peter_swinson at compuserve.com Sun Dec 28 12:48:13 2014 From: peter_swinson at compuserve.com (peter_swinson at compuserve.com) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:48:13 -0500 Subject: [Tig] =?utf-8?q?The_Rank_Cintel_MK_III_Telecine=3A_1975_=E2=80=93?= =?utf-8?q?_2015?= Message-ID: <8D1F0B3AD13039A-D58-302E4@webmail-vm147.sysops.aol.com> Neil Feldman; well said, I do not know who Terry Knight is, nor, asking around, doany of my old Cintel friends, and I have asked some who go back to the mid1970?s. Who ever he is, could be a pseudonym, and I have my suspicions, he isdoing a great injustice to all those companies that helped Rank Cintel survivefor so long. His view of the MKIII having perfect geometry, linearity etc etcis very rose tinted, I would have to say that such things were just about adequate,not perfect. Indeed it was only after we designed URSA with its digitalautomatic correction of such errors that near perfection was reached. In terms of other manufacturers, many of their designscomplemented Rank Cintel. Without the likes of Da Vinci, Pandora, VideoEngineering with their controllers, the various Steadigate and wet gate designand manufacturers and the likes of ITK, Rank Cintel MKIIIs and subsequent designs would probably not have penetratedthe market or survived for as long as they did. While it is always good as a manufacturer to design totalsystems in house, there will always be others who have novel or better methodsin some areas. Such was always the case with Rank Cintel, and I like to thinkthat in general we had a good relationship with such companies. I therefore strongly object to ?Terry Knight?s derogatoryview of these other manufacturers. As Peter Stansfield points out this Terry must have beenlong gone from Rank Cintel as the old telephone number he gives is probably atleast 25 years out of date. And I do not think the remnants of the Rank Organisationwould take kindly to him signing off as Rank Precision Industries. ( A divisionthat divested itself of Rank Cintel, Rank Taylor Hobson, Rank Brimar andothers in the 1996, almost 20 years ago.) Now in terms of the UK Cintel factory complex, that hasindeed gone. 90% of the buildings were flattened and ASDA are constructing asupermarket (Mall). I wonder how often the Ghosts of Cintelites past, will roamthe aisles of this new establishment muttering the words CRT, 35, 16, film, out of sync, jumpscan,digiscan, etc Happy New Year Peter From peter_swinson at compuserve.com Sun Dec 28 12:51:23 2014 From: peter_swinson at compuserve.com (peter_swinson at compuserve.com) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:51:23 -0500 Subject: [Tig] =?utf-8?q?=5BTIG=5DThe_Rank_Cintel_MK_III_Telecine=3A_1975_?= =?utf-8?b?4oCTIDIwMTU=?= In-Reply-To: <8D1F0B3AD13039A-D58-302E4@webmail-vm147.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D1F0B3AD13039A-D58-302E4@webmail-vm147.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8D1F0B41EC660DE-D58-30308@webmail-vm147.sysops.aol.com> Neil Feldman; well said, I do not know who Terry Knight is, nor, asking around, doany of my old Cintel friends, and I have asked some who go back to the mid1970?s. Who ever he is, could be a pseudonym, and I have my suspicions, he isdoing a great injustice to all those companies that helped Rank Cintel survivefor so long. His view of the MKIII having perfect geometry, linearity etc etcis very rose tinted, I would have to say that such things were just about adequate,not perfect. Indeed it was only after we designed URSA with its digitalautomatic correction of such errors that near perfection was reached. In terms of other manufacturers, many of their designscomplemented Rank Cintel. Without the likes of Da Vinci, Pandora, VideoEngineering with their controllers, the various Steadigate and wet gate designand manufacturers and the likes of ITK, Rank Cintel MKIIIs and subsequent designs would probably not have penetratedthe market or survived for as long as they did. While it is always good as a manufacturer to design totalsystems in house, there will always be others who have novel or better methodsin some areas. Such was always the case with Rank Cintel, and I like to thinkthat in general we had a good relationship with such companies. I therefore strongly object to ?Terry Knight?s derogatoryview of these other manufacturers. As Peter Stansfield points out this Terry must have beenlong gone from Rank Cintel as the old telephone number he gives is probably atleast 25 years out of date. And I do not think the remnants of the Rank Organisationwould take kindly to him signing off as Rank Precision Industries. ( A divisionthat divested itself of Rank Cintel, Rank Taylor Hobson, Rank Brimar andothers in the 1996, almost 20 years ago.) Now in terms of the UK Cintel factory complex, that hasindeed gone. 90% of the buildings were flattened and ASDA are constructing asupermarket (Mall). I wonder how often the Ghosts of Cintelites past, will roamthe aisles of this new establishment muttering the words CRT, 35, 16, film, out of sync, jumpscan,digiscan, etc Happy New Year Peter From dixie at westpoint.tv Sun Dec 28 13:06:27 2014 From: dixie at westpoint.tv (=?utf-8?B?ZGl4aWVAd2VzdHBvaW50LnR2?=) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:06:27 +0000 Subject: [Tig] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A__The_Rank_Cintel_Mk_III_Telecine=3A_1975_-?= =?utf-8?q?_2015?= Message-ID: Hi Rob Tried posting this several times. Still not made it Tig. All the best for 2015 Kind regards David Dean Westpoint TV 0208 742 3400 ----- Forwarded message ----- From: "dixie at westpoint.tv" To: "tig at colorist.org" Subject: [Tig] The Rank Cintel Mk III Telecine: 1975 - 2015 Date: Sat, Dec 27, 2014 7:01 PM ----- Forwarded message ----- From: "dixie at westpoint.tv" To: "Neil B. Feldman" , "Terry Knight" Cc: "tig at colorist.org" Subject: Re: [Tig] The Rank Cintel Mk III Telecine: 1975 - 2015 Date: Sat, Dec 27, 2014 3:14 PM When I read Terry's comment about all the extras that were made for the MKIIIs I was not sure if there wasn't a little bit of tongue in cheek. It would have to be said that what was made was incredibly good for our industry. My two penny's worth. All the best for 2015. David Dean Westpoint TV 0208 742 3400----- Reply message ----- From: "Neil B. Feldman via Tig" To: "Terry Knight" Cc: "tig at colorist.org" Subject: [Tig] The Rank Cintel Mk III Telecine: 1975 - 2015 Date: Sat, Dec 27, 2014 2:06 PM Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. ===== On Dec 27, 2014, at 4:00 AM, Terry Knight via Tig wrote: > Of course all this money encouraged greed and envy. Third party after-market products appeared from unprofessional back street operations and deranged hobbyists, first a trickle then a torrent. Our engineers examined these: we advised you not to waste your money on this useless tat, invalidating your warranty and jeopardizing your service agreement. You didn't need alternative shading circuit boards, colour grading devices, steadygates, etc, etc. It was so sad to see our machines vandalised. Gee. After all these years it is comforting to see that some things never can change. You guys are still clueless. Amazing. _______________________________________________ http://colorist.org To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From rob at colorist.org Sun Dec 28 13:38:16 2014 From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:38:16 -0600 Subject: [Tig] Fwd: The Rank Cintel Mk III Telecine: 1975 - 2015 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CBDDF2-E94C-416E-A24B-9398D62F486B@colorist.org> > On Dec 28, 2014, at 7:06 AM, dixie at westpoint.tv via Tig wrote: > > Hi Rob > > Tried posting this several times. Still not made it Tig. > > All the best for 2015 > > Kind regards > > David Dean > Westpoint TV > 0208 742 3400 Hi David, It was successfully posted, and archived, at http://tig.colorist.org/pipermail/tig/2014-December/022009.html Sometimes the mail handling by client programs (on your local system) has difficulty with the new anti-spam protocols developed recently by the large (google, aol etc) providers. Returning the kind regards. Rob ? Rob Lingelbach http://rob.colorist.org rob at colorist.org From rob at colorist.org Sun Dec 28 14:00:12 2014 From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 08:00:12 -0600 Subject: [Tig] The Rank Cintel Mk III Telecine: 1975 - 2015 In-Reply-To: <473E5C6A-22D2-4504-903D-529343DF89FE@wavecrest-systems.com> References:

<473E5C6A-22D2-4504-903D-529343DF89FE@wavecrest-systems.com> Message-ID: <7B42D268-8927-4E2F-A6C0-21E731F59C47@colorist.org> > On Dec 28, 2014, at 4:29 AM, peter stansfield wrote: > > Rob > > Apologies for linking you to Wal-Mart, I didn?t intend it like that. I wasn?t offended at all, was responding tongue-in-cheek, my turn to apologize. > ?Subsidized? holidays is a strange phase to use. Rather there was an ?employee discount? > which I suppose is the same thing but doesn?t sound as bad aha. > And for those not familiar with the UK telephone system, the phone number is the old (pre > rationalisation) number for Cintel I guess it takes some special knowledge to know that number. Pseudonymous postings have never been allowed here, so the account in question is frozen. Setting my own record straight (and dropping limp attempts at humor), my first experience with a Rank Cintel telecine dates to the early 1980s. Then in L.A. I spent six years with Mark IIIC Digiscan III/IV machines. They were extraordinary accomplishments of engineering. The engineers we worked with from Cintel were already legends, and sales representatives became lifelong friends. Regarding add-ons or re-engineering, the Millennium 2 I worked with gave the most stunning pictures I?d ever seen from film at the time. ? Rob Lingelbach http://rob.colorist.org rob at colorist.org From mlbnyc at verizon.net Tue Dec 30 17:45:06 2014 From: mlbnyc at verizon.net (Michael Bittle) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:45:06 -0500 Subject: [Tig] Fwd: Announcements + Call for Help References: <1442022803.2753944.1419955588086.open-xchange@oxweb01.eigbox.net> Message-ID: <37ED1210-E600-4A72-9831-35CFCF207292@verizon.net> I've been following Matt's efforts for a while, and since there was a thread a while back on open source scanning I thought I'd pass this along. Cheers, Mike Mike Bittle M L Bittle - New York (soon to be Chapel Hill) "Science, it turns out, is not an exact science" - me Sent from my iPhone - which sometimes decides on its own what I'm trying to say. Begin forwarded message: > From: Kinograph > Date: December 30, 2014 at 11:06:28 EST > To: info at kinograph.cc > Subject: Announcements + Call for Help > Reply-To: Kinograph > > Hi all, > > A very happy holidays to you all and I hope you are all as excited about a New Year as I am, especially for Kinograph! > > First, the announcements. > > The feedback from you all has been wonderful. Thanks again for that. I've done a ton of thinking after the survey and after reading through your corespondance, and this is what has become to the forefront for me: > > 1. One person (me) building one machine (8mm) is not the answer to the problem of getting films out of the dark. It is a widespread problems and waiting on me to get my act together while working full time is not the most efficient approach. We need something to happen sooner rather than later and the more wide spread the efforts, the better. > > 2. I need to fulfill my promise of returning to Jordan sometime in 2015 to scan the films I found. That is how this all started and I have gotten sidetracked by all the business stuff and would like to refocus on getting back and making a difference in a tangible way with the films that are in my grasp. > > SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? > > It means that I want to think bigger. And that means thinking with all of our brains put together. If this project is supposed to be open source, then the process should be too. To that end, I want to launch a forum so we can start that process together (see below). > > This also means that I want to maximize the funds I have available (currently $10K) to achieve as much as we can in terms of building prototypes. We don't know where Kinograph will be in a year, and I want to get as much mileage out of that money as possible before August, when the fellowship at NYC's Next Top Makers ends. To do that, I'd like to work on both the 8mm and 16/35mm at the same time. I think this is possible if we share with each other and come up with a solid strategy that we think will provide the best quality and service to fit our needs as a collective. You can think of me as the source for parts and the lab rat that will assemble them and run tests. Because we don't have a lot of money, we need to be precise about what we choose to purchase but if we work together, we have a better chance of doing that. There are a lot of people on this list with experience that exceeds mine and it would be silly not to use it. > > The other reason I'd like to return to developing the 16/35mm machine alongside the 8mm machine is because I made a promise to return to Jordan and all 850 of those canisters are 16mm or 35mm. The good news is that the approach for both machines is the same and if it works for one, the major design principles (gate, film transport, drive train, frame detection, etc.) will work for the other with a few adjustments. > > So in the coming weeks, I'd like to accomplish the following: > 1.) Get the forum up and running (I need your help, see below). > 2.) Gather information about existing projects, their approaches, and what equipment they use. I will organize the forum to make this cohesive. > 3.) Determine as a group what core functionalities are important for each machine and use that to finalize the list of major components to be purchased. > 4.) I will begin assembling and testing and publishing my results. We can make adjustments to our plans as that happens. > > In short, I can't do this alone. I look forward to working with you all to make Kinograph a real solution as soon as possible. > > Some of you may be asking - what about the business? "Am I going to work on this for nothing and Matthew gets all the profit?" For the immediate future, there is no profit. Any money Kinograph makes will be immediately used to make it sustainable by improving the design, making agreements with manufacturers, and putting the pieces in place for distribution, support, and online services. Will it one day be profitable? Let's hope so. But I hope that you will be involved in Kinograph not because you want to get paid but because you believe in the project and want to help. As I've stated before, this is not going to be a multi-million dollar company. It's simply an organization that exists on paper to make things move more effectively - to accept investment, to ensure proper practices, and be held accountable by the public. Like many of you, I still have a full-time job and Kinograph is a passion project. > > HOW CAN YOU HELP? > > First, I'd like to get the web forum up and running. > > > If anyone on this list can help me get a Discourse board going, I could use some help. I've tried over the last couple of days to do it myself but am not savvy enough with backend web stuff. I'm also looking to redo the website, which I should be able to do but am a little short on time so if one or some of you is a web designer, UI/UX designer, etc. and would like to help, please let me know! If you can help with either of these, please respond to this email and let me know. I can provide you with the information needed. > > Thanks again for all your emails with suggestions, guidance, and support. > > Matthew Epler > Kinograph >