[Tig] Fwd: [CinePaint] controversial question (could be my fault).

Rob Lingelbach rob at colorist.org
Fri Mar 14 19:30:47 GMT 2008

The following is posted with permission of the author, who posted to  
the Cinepaint-Users mailing list.

This is specific to still photos, but will have ramifications in the  
near future to moving images, at least in my humble opinion.  As an  
example, Photoshop is now used for texture mapping with effects for  
features and commercials, whereas previously it was thought of as  
simply a still-image tool.


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Frank Peters <frank.peters at comcast.net>
> Date: March 14, 2008 8:58:49 PM GMT+02:00
> To: Rob Lingelbach <rob at colorist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CinePaint] controversial question (could be my fault).
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:34:13 +0200
> Rob Lingelbach <rob at colorist.org> wrote:
>> I'm a little lost at this point and need to get back to square one
>> with cinepaint.  I hope you don't mind my attaching here the original
>> unchanged .NEF file from the camera.   I can't get it to look like
>> the .jpg file you sent  at
>> http://home.comcast.net/~frank.peters/DSC_1180.jpg
>> --but that could be due to the color profile.  Can you reiterate for
>> me the steps you used to create the jpg, along with profile options?
> I need to make some further comments about this issue.
> When dealing with RAW data, such as Nikon NEF files, I have
> found it best to bypass the color management of cinepaint.
> RAW data often needs to be specially processed and unfortunately
> the exact methods are often kept secret by the camera
> manufacturer.
> Cinepaint, of course, cannot know these secrets and therefore
> its handling of RAW data can have unforseen problems.
> My camera is a Nikon SLR and I have learned to process the
> Nikon NEF faily well.  But it wasn't easy to learn.  Only
> after a discussion with Dave Coffin, the author of dcraw,
> did I find out that gamma adjustment *before* applying the
> color profile is necessary for the Nikon NEF.  This step
> can make a big difference.
> But what applies to Nikon does not apply to Canon.  I have
> made many attempts to process Canon RAW files and I am still
> unable to perfectly reproduce the colors.  Obviously, there
> are certain details that are also being kept secret by Canon.
> The steps I have outlined, however, do an adequate job
> for the Nikon NEF *if* the correct profiles are available.
> Because the manufacturers are not interested in full disclosure,
> tricks are often necessary to obtain the necessary profiles.
> Consult the following forum thread for details:
> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1954962&forum_id=434060
> So one must not expect cinepaint to handle RAW files
> automatically.  They should be specially prepared according
> to the particular RAW format (if the details are known)
> before loading into cineapint.
> Frank Peters

Rob Lingelbach
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