[Tig] Re: MTV Music awards -greg again

Greg Dildine greg.dildine
Wed Sep 4 22:13:28 BST 2002


I assume the 25fps folks across the pond will again wonder why Americans think adding 3:2 makes it look like film!  By the way, what did this show look like "converted" to PAL/625-50??

I just hope that the average MTV viewer doesn't relate the "look" of this particular program to HD exclusively.  It was of course the result of just one of the many HD "looks."  But, this example (the MTV show) will NOT in my opinion necessarily sell more HD gear and/or HD TVs.  If too many folks think (or are told) this is what HD is and/or will be, I'm not sure there'll be much of a run on new HD sets at the TV stores.  

What were the thoughts regarding the HD broadcast vs. the standard def broadcast here?  Was it actually broadcast both ways?  Did the folks involved aim for the resulting "look" as it would appear in "native HD" or as it appeared to 99% of their viewers downconverted in NTSC??  This will be important to find out, especially if they didn't really care about the downconvert or perhaps considered it a "by product" ("24P HD for STD DEF" vs "24P HD for HD broadcast").  I'm assuming that even for the HD broadcast (if there was one) that 3:2 was added OR did/does someone think that the 24P would/will make it to TVs/monitors without 3:2 being added (or be displayed with the 3:2 removed by the display device to match the acquisition rate)??

Also, someone else wrote that the "look" may not have just been 3:2 but that some additional temporal processing was added in addition.  Any info out there??

Don't get me wrong, I'm not entirely against this use of HD to impart a style and "look" to a show.  I didn't particularly care for the "temporal resolution" as I mentioned previously.  But since it did impart a "different" look color-wise/contrast too and it's cool to try new and different looks, I do applaud the folks with the idea for trying it!  It'll be interesting to find out who was behind imparting this "visual style" to this particular show. I'm sure some folks actually loved the look.  

I am also still very interested to know if a Colorist was involved and what tools were used to enhance the "look" beyond just the "temporal" look it had... and whether it was done "just" at the cameras or downstream with a da vinci, poggle, etc. type box.

Greg Dildine
Senior Colorist
Finish - Boston
greg.dildine at finishedit.com



On Friday, August 30, 2002, Erik Utter <eriku at flyingspot.com> wrote:
>As I understand it, the show was shot in 24p and down converted for the
>network,..  to lend a film look.  My issue with it was the disconnect I felt
>from it being a "live" show.  It looked and felt more like a film
>documentary.
>
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>Was there a color enhancement system and/or Colorist involved in the show
>last night?  Anyone else have any thoughts or comments on the stylized look
>of the multi-cam live show?  It was "different."  I personally didn't care
>for the temporal resolution part of the "look."
>
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