[Tig] what is where (tk count)

Pedro Conforti pedroconforti
Tue Jul 16 14:12:54 BST 2002

Here in Brasil things are going from bad to nightmare in the telecine field
(and the whole post production market) since 2000. It can be explained by 3
main reasons:

1) the US dollar exchange rate change against Brasil's Real in the last 4
years. Since it have gone from an 1-1 rate to a 3-1 basis, clients who used
to pay, say R$600 (US$600) for an hour of SD work with the best colorist,
are now paying about R$450 (US$158) due to the Real devalue;

2) Since the market is really low these days, clients keep pushing prices
unfairly down and down, accepting even lower quality on their jobs (by
working with begginers), so they can get ridiculous discounts, like 50 Reais
less / hour (about US$18).

3) And remember, whenever we buy new equipment, we pay in US$, although our
clients pay us with Reais. You can guess how difficult it is to keep up a
business so expensive like ours with such a low income.

So now prices are more or less like this:

R$ 450-650  - SD commercial
R$ 300-450  - SD music videos / dailies
R$ 900-1000 - HD commercial
R$ 800-900  - HD music video

in US$, this would be:

US$ 158-230  - SD commercial
US$ 105-158  - SD music videos / dailies
US$ 315-351  - HD commercial
US$ 280-315  - HD music video

As you can see, prices are unbelievable low here these days. I hope
something happens to change this situation, because having almost no work,
at this price, cannot lead any post-production house to a bright future.
Unfortunatly, this is the kind of situation that clients choose to ignore
until it is too late.



O cinema ? a m?sica da luz.
Abel Gance
Pedro Conforti - Colorista - Estudios Mega


on 16.07.2002 5:24 AM, bobineinc at aol.com at bobineinc at aol.com wrote:

> For a column on the hourly price for a telecine room and a salary for a
> professional colorist in LA.
> Since the 80's the price has been pretty stagnant. In average the price for
> STD is $1000 for commercial work and $750 for music video, it use to be $500
> for feature now $1000 HD and $1500 Data) an hour.
> After tax, 25% off that price go to the highest pay colorist with stocks
> options (rare), the other colorists are chasing the same sweet deal.
> Now due to the slow down there has been a lot of under cutting by post houses
> with colorist that work more than 16 hours a day or any time, for $550 STD
> commercials, $350 STD for music videos and features $550 HD and $600  Data.
> Lay down session as low as $200 per hours in some case (plus free B with good
> clients). 
> The market is distorted because no matter how low a client wants to pay there
> is a colorist hungry enough to do the job (usually the Highest pay will
> work).  
> Agencies, Productions and Records company are more aggressive in demanding
> their favorite Colorist and also the approval of every frames. But the
> general public expectation as gone way down.
> In the 80's and 90's Colorist market was booming and the last three years
> some of the colorists did well, but none fell the business was great. Those
> who have done well are in a small number and they have branch out as owner or
> partners taking charge of their clients. The kind who insist in coloring only
> and let the rest to there CEO will probably be a dying breed when they start
> to see the disadvantages. It not enough for a colorist to know color, it
> needs to known its clients, and manage the clients service needed with help
> from the upper management.
> PS: Higher price will help to leverage the client to increase their rates and
> manufacturer to survive. Maybe a colorist group can be form to educate each
> other on good business practice until now everything goes in the Hollywood
> jungle.  
> If you don't agree please jump in....
> Jais /Bobine (pronounce Bo Been)
> In a message dated 7/15/02 12:19:29 PM, rob at film.calarts.edu writes:
> << I'm going to be working a lot more on the telecine count table
> as soon as I can, and appreciate all the input from everyone.
> One suggestion was made that is pretty interesting:
> what if we had a column for hourly rates in the different facilities
> and countries, based on a common currency and exchange rate at a certain
> time?  Perhaps it would be too difficult to keep up-to-date.


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